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by JohnnyMac » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:52 pm
I attended the Outdoor Show this last weekend in near Chicago. Temple Fork had a rep there with pretty much their entire line of rods available for people to see and ask about. I have been toying with the idea of getting a switch rod, but have had questions about which weight rod to get. I told the rep the following:
-I fish the SE Wisconsin tribs in the fall and spring.
-I would like a rod which can handle steelhead and browns. I do not plan on using this for the kings. It is possible to run into a Coho or two.
-I'd like the rod to allow me to control the fish, yet not be too overpowering. I prefer to use lighter tippet. Most fish would range in the 6 to 10 pound category, with the occasional 12-14+ fish.
-I would also like to use this rod to fish for smallmouth during the summer.
-I plan on swinging flies and indicator fishing. I do not plan on doing any overhead casting.
His recommendation was the 5 wt. Deer Creek Switch Rod. Another person at the booth said he had been to Alaska and caught silvers on this weight rod and not felt like he was out-gunned.
Am I asking too much out of one rod? Is the 5wt. reasonable or would I be wise stepping up to at least the 6wt? I am not familiar with how a switch rod compares to a single handed rod. The other person at the booth said that a switch rod would be similar to a single hand rod two weights heavier. Is this true?
Any recommendations for lines? Most of the rivers I fish do not have the deep runs you have in other places. Most of the deeper runs and holes I'd fish would be no more than 2-5 feet deep (and that is in much slower moving water) so I do not anticipate needing some of the heavier sink tips, if any.
Any and all comments, suggestions, experience with these is appreciated.
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by Marcel DuShrimp » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:42 pm
if you're not going to be using heavy sink tips and 5" streamers you could probably go with a 6wt. 5wt seems small.
i'm trying to make sense of switch rods too. i'm interest to hear what others have to say.
by FK » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:05 pm
I will second the recommendation for the 6wt Deer Creek Switch.
The line selection is by grain weight not the AFTMA single handed line weights we have been accustomed to using.
The 6wt DC switch rod is rated for 300-500 grains, this is for Spey casting not overhead.
The Temple Fork line recommendations are on this site:
http://www.templeforkflyrods.com/suppor ... -recs.html
by SSG Steelhead » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:55 am
I have fished this rod and I am not sure what sort of casting style you use but I started a 350gr 27' skagit head with t-8 tips in the 7' range. I felt the head was a little long and and a little heavy. I backed down to the 300gn and 20' range and it is money!
For the size fish you are chasing you will be fine with it but if you wanted to could go bigger though you may find it a bit too big for what you are doing most of the time. You need to size the rod for what you will do 90% of the time not the 10% or you will not be happy.
If you wanted to run without tips I have heard (I have fished the line just not on this rod) that the Airflo 40 rocks on this rod.
When looking at the grain rating you need to know what sort of casting you will be doing if it a scandi style or underhand you will be on the lighter side and if you are going with a skagit or slowed down sustained anchor cast you will go to the heavier side.
In the end for the money DC rods are sweet. I would call a shop such as Redshed and "test drive" the 5wt and 6wt to see which searves you best. For me I would go to the 5wt.
Best of luck.
by kweetech » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:12 pm
I had the DC 7wt switch for awhile...nice for chucking larger streamers/intruders etc. As a crossover rod..you could probably do ok with a 5 or 6 wt, but you may find yourself in situations where you feel undergunned..whether it be on a fish, or throwing big junk.
Personally..I use split the difference and cover most everything with two rods..5 and 7wt switches
by JohnnyMac » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:59 am
Thanks for the comments thus far. They have been very informative. I am now looking into making a switch rod instead of buying one. TFO now has the Deer Creek blanks available for building. I may do this or possibly the Rainshadow 10'-8" 7 wt. switch.
by SSG Steelhead » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:29 pm
I have built a few of the Batson switch rods and like them a lot. I have a 7wt for myself and rock a 20.2' 370gn (if I remember correct) skagit head on it. I can toss a dead chicken and 7' of T-10 with no issue.
by Salar4me » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:13 pm
I have a 6wt 12.5' TFO in the older spey (professional?) series - Love the rod although I was also looking for something a bit lighter that would make a 12" smallmouth a worthy opponent... I broke many steelhead off with it when I had to resort to lighter lines to get takes...
Recently purchased the 4/5wt. 12.5' Deer Creek - I'm pretty sure it will be great for smallmouth - I've used it for steel with light tippet - Simply tough to snap tippet but at the same time tough to put the breaks on hot fish/>5 or 6 lbs... Yup - in the documentation says it is built for half pounders out west...
both rods well made...
I would love something in the middle!
by dlgawlak » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:40 pm
While I have landed steelhead on the TFO 4 wt switch (usually in small tight technical type rivers), I much prefer battling them on a 6-7 weight rod. If you are chucking heavy junk and long t14-t17 then minimum of a 7 wt.
by Long Shank » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:26 pm
For GLs steelhead I would go no less than a 6wt tp be able to pressure the fish and end the encounter as quick as possible to ensure the fish is not exhausted threatening its ability to recover after the release, also for providing the ability to throw sink tips which is what I am doing most of the time for GLs steelhead.
Deercreeks are nice rods, I am looking at the 5 wgt switch now but not for steelhead, for smallies.
by JohnnyMac » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:52 am
Thanks for all the helpful information. I ordered the Rainshadow switch rod in a 7 wt. These have been well reviewed and should fit my needs. If time and money allow, I will pick up a 4 wt. Deer Creek for smallies. Again, thanks for all the help. This site has always given me helpful insight when I need it.
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